Herding Myths and Treasure Fighting Tips
Okay, scratch what you think about herding for faster gathering. Originally, when hunting for Food, the idea is to get the animals closer to your TC to decrease villager travel time. That way you can shave a few seconds off your Colonial Age time... right? Wrong! It's actually WORSE!
Here's the thing, I tested both herding and non-herding on the same map.
Herding - First thing off the bat, collect any Food crates. You want to get vils in queue A.S.A.P. and with one vil, have it travel past the first hunting animal and shoot it towards your TC. Once done, have all your vils start gathering from it. After 10 seconds, repeat the procedure, but DON'T kill the animal. Just continue gathering from the animal that's already dead.
The reason to wait 10 seconds is because the animal or herd won't move after it's already been herded. So, once you get the herd to move closer to your TC, wait 10 seconds, then shoot another animal towards the direction of your TC, but don't kill it. The only time you should kill an animal is when your vils are ready to gather it. If you kill it too soon, you might have to travel a bit to get to it. My Colonial Age time was 4:07.
Not Herding - Just attack and hunt the nearest animal and gather from it. Simple as that. My Colonial Age time was 4:05. Go figure!
The only good thing about Herding animals is that it gets the animals closer to your TC for when you get to Colonial Age in order to protect your vils from enemy raiding... but at a cost to your Colonial Age time.
Now, if you do want to save villie seconds, only have 2 vils shooting to kill an animal (unless it's a Bison, in which case you want 5 vils to shoot at it, I think.) If you have more than 2, the vils have to reload their rifles before they can gather, so shoot them animals before the one your gathering runs out of meat, or all them vils will a start shootin'!
Anyways, that's that. As for Treasure fighting tips with your Explorer, try to use your Snipe ability A.S.A.P. on a treasure that has hard to kill mobs on it. Usually Polar Bears and Gunfighters. On lesser mobs, such as wolves, panthers, and brown bears, you can easily take a group of them out without losing your Explorer, or needing the Snipe ability.
For example, if there's a group of 4 wolves, have your Explorer shoot at the nearest one, then run away. There will be a point where the animals will turn around and run back to their initial positions. As a wolf is running back, ATTACK the wolf from range, BUT make sure all the other wolves are running back, too. You should be able to get 2 more shots before the other wolves make it back to you, and you can finish off that wolf with a melee attack. Run your Explorer back, and again, attack the wolf you want to kill as it's running back. Repeat this procedure and you can easily take a 4 wolf treasure without the Snipe ability and with just your Explorer alone with hardly a scratch.
Here's the thing, I tested both herding and non-herding on the same map.
Herding - First thing off the bat, collect any Food crates. You want to get vils in queue A.S.A.P. and with one vil, have it travel past the first hunting animal and shoot it towards your TC. Once done, have all your vils start gathering from it. After 10 seconds, repeat the procedure, but DON'T kill the animal. Just continue gathering from the animal that's already dead.
The reason to wait 10 seconds is because the animal or herd won't move after it's already been herded. So, once you get the herd to move closer to your TC, wait 10 seconds, then shoot another animal towards the direction of your TC, but don't kill it. The only time you should kill an animal is when your vils are ready to gather it. If you kill it too soon, you might have to travel a bit to get to it. My Colonial Age time was 4:07.
Not Herding - Just attack and hunt the nearest animal and gather from it. Simple as that. My Colonial Age time was 4:05. Go figure!
The only good thing about Herding animals is that it gets the animals closer to your TC for when you get to Colonial Age in order to protect your vils from enemy raiding... but at a cost to your Colonial Age time.
Now, if you do want to save villie seconds, only have 2 vils shooting to kill an animal (unless it's a Bison, in which case you want 5 vils to shoot at it, I think.) If you have more than 2, the vils have to reload their rifles before they can gather, so shoot them animals before the one your gathering runs out of meat, or all them vils will a start shootin'!
Anyways, that's that. As for Treasure fighting tips with your Explorer, try to use your Snipe ability A.S.A.P. on a treasure that has hard to kill mobs on it. Usually Polar Bears and Gunfighters. On lesser mobs, such as wolves, panthers, and brown bears, you can easily take a group of them out without losing your Explorer, or needing the Snipe ability.
For example, if there's a group of 4 wolves, have your Explorer shoot at the nearest one, then run away. There will be a point where the animals will turn around and run back to their initial positions. As a wolf is running back, ATTACK the wolf from range, BUT make sure all the other wolves are running back, too. You should be able to get 2 more shots before the other wolves make it back to you, and you can finish off that wolf with a melee attack. Run your Explorer back, and again, attack the wolf you want to kill as it's running back. Repeat this procedure and you can easily take a 4 wolf treasure without the Snipe ability and with just your Explorer alone with hardly a scratch.
posted by El_Capitan (a.k.a. Scrubs) at 6:56 AM
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You may be a candle in the dark miasma of ignorance and distorted reason...or not. What do I know? I am more of an analyst then hard-core gamer (burned out after too many years of in-your-face chess). Any chance we could exchange thoughts? Subjects could be AoE3 or women of Brazil...your choice. Have no idea how I will know if you accept or not.
Well, that came from left field. I wouldn't mind a palaver of sorts, but words like miasma will just perplex me. I never grow tired talking about games and women, for they are both worthy subjects. =p
Palaver? Wasn't that a TV show? (*music* Palaver, Palaver, where do you roam?).
Ok, enough flirting. Much of the stuff posted by "experts" that I saw about AoE3 was specious drivel. Then you showed up. Your posts seem to come from an intelligent, curious, and organized mind while hinting that it may be a little twisted. All high marks in my humble opinion (I will never admit to these compliments in public situations). :-D
Hard for me to find people to talk with who like to analyze and try out all sorts of stuff. So, until Anna Kornikova knocks on my door, I thought I would bug you.
If we ever cross swords on ESO, I'm the one who puts single wall segments out as sentries instead of military Units or Houses.
"Palaver" is from the Portuguese which is the language of Brazilian ladies. If you are that deep then I am way over my head.
Email, Messenger, here, whispering on ESO, whatever is fine with me. Hell, I could even fire up Ventrilo (with a little help) on my in-home network.
Live in Denver, Colorado, USA, now but have lived or been lots of other places (South America, Europe, Japan, etc., etc., etc.). If I can ever swing it, I will move to Old Amsterdam (Netherlands)and not just for the Coffee Houses.
While I wait for your response, if forthcoming, the El_Capitan background check has been initiated. Lol.
Namaste...Burma
I think I might have played you in a 2vs2 once, I noticed the wall segments being used. I think it's very useful, but many consider it a cheap tactic. All's fair in love and war, though, and I use it on occasion myself, usually on the shores of Amazonia (in case enemy troops land) when I just decide to skip the water and boom to the Industrial Age for Mortars and Monitors. I'm usually lazy and just use sheep as scout posts, putting them in a perimeter, you can usually see raiding parties coming before they're converted, and if the sheep isn't visible anymore, you know the enemy scouted there already, and know it might not be wise to gather from hunting in that area.
I live in Seattle, WA, USA. Not much in the way of travel, but I've seen a few things to know the things you want to see is never never the same as the things that you should be seeing.
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El Capitan, I greatly respect your RTSness, but do you agree that it could be possible that your test results may be off? I mean, there was only a 2 second difference and that could have been caused by anything. Imo, you should repeat the test a few times.
Herding is probably worthwhile just to get your villies closer to the TC and therefore safer from raiding, even it is dosnt speed your age time.
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